Superman vs Superman

So who’s the greatest superman? The answer is Christopher Reeve.

Yeah that was a little anticlimactic. I’m going to do a comparison on the supporting cast and locations and just all around everything concerning that particular mythos but, UNDERSTAND that I have a huge partiality to the Richard Donner Superman (1978) the film charmed, astounded and just all around enchanted me as a child.

It helped make me the nerd I am today and is a film I have easily seen more than 200 times.  It was a lot later in my childhood that I finally separated the man and the character but for several years (and even now to a certain extent.) when I think of Superman, Chris Reeve is still the one I see.

I won’t be including Smallville in all of this because Tom Welling is Superboy, not Superman. (Argue the point with me all you want, I’m just not a Smallville fan.)

The three that we’ll be dealing directly with will be Lois and Clark: the New Adventures of Superman ( though I don’t think at 18 years they really qualify as new anymore.) The Donner Superman (and its partially Donner directed sequel.) Superman Returns.

Don’t take it as a slight to George Reeves or the animated Superman from Warner Animation. I’d like to keep it to live action and I’m honestly just not as familiar with the 50’s Adventures of Superman series.

Man of Steel also chose to eschew most of the elements that I’m comparing, and in respect to fairness, I’m trying to make it as much of an apples to apples comparison as I can.

But let’s say we get started.

First and foremost, a hero is only as good as their villain.

No disrespect to James Kirk.

The greatest hero in the world isn’t much without a great and worthy adversary. And Superman’s is easily Lex Luthor. People will tell you that he is overused. I’ll grant you that. A lot of the time I’d say that budgetary constraints. A man in a suit is much easier to recreate than a despot from a fire planet that requires constant CGI assistance.

Lois and Clark certainly didn’t have the money to adequately make a Doomsday appearance or a Darkseid mutiparter.

Lois and Clark’s proposed Doomsday.

For Luthor, all you need is a commanding presence and a suit.

And usually some baldness.

Usually.

The three actors we are looking at today are John Shea, Gene Hackman and Kevin Spacey. John Shea is at a disadvantage right off the bat. Kevin Spacey and Gene Hackman are two of the greatest living actors today. Ian McKellan and Morgan Freeman have to bring their considerable A game to compete with these men. I would easily list them amongst the most talented performers living or dead. Their collective resumes are things of legend (mostly.)

John Shea was in Honey, I Blew Up the Kid and some episodes of Sex and the City and Law and Order. That isn’t a slight to him, its just facts.

I think he did an exceptional job on what he was given in the script department. Lois and Clark wasn’t always the most impressively written show and he’s probably glad that he left the show before its largely un-watchable fourth season. The first and second were the most enjoyable with the show losing a consistently threatening and comparatively better written and performed villain. All that being said, he’s my least favorite of the Luthors. Gene Hackman falls into second. I like his Luthor. He isn’t playing him as clichéd or one note. He does, on the other hand, occasionally feeling like a used car salesman.

“Kal-El? Can I call you Kal?…”

I never felt threatened by him. He’s a bad man to be sure, but I always thought he’d be more likely to sell me a lemon than destroy the world or stop the world’s greatest superhero. I think some of the problem lies in the fact that all he wants to do is get real estate.

Luthor is a lot of things in the comic books but a land owner was never really emphasized (or really ever discussed as far as I recall.) Mad Sceintist, Humanitarian, Half Cyborg-Half Human Luthiac, but he never worked for Century 21.

I don’t know what informed his performance, but it certainly wasn’t the source material. Despite all this going against him he still managed to, at least, entertain in every scene he’s in as well as provide a good balance against Reeve’s buffoonish Kent/Greatest Boy Scout performance. He was also in Superman IV and thus responsible for Nuclear Man.

To Do List: 1.Kill Superman 2. Destroy Superman Film Franchise.

I had to deduct points for that. Hackman was a good Luthor, but Kevin Spacey was always how I pictured him.

Superman Returns is a flawed, though enjoyable film. I think it was almost too respectful of the originals and retreaded a lot of the same material. I have also never been a fan of Luthor as an out and out super villain portrayal.

I would have really enjoyed seeing Spacey portray the billionaire industrialist. When I actually read the Superman titles (they haven’t been fantastic in some time.) that was how Luthor was portrayed.

And I think it’s the best use of the character.

Again despite all this, Spacey is easily the best thing about the movie. I think he felt the least tethered to the Donner films. Spacey is also an immensely talented actor and was with one of the directors that made him a name.

I love Spacey and Singer and Superman, but if you want to see them at their best, watch the Usual Suspects instead, it ended up being a much better use of their talents.

Spacey is vicious, slimy and commanding. And he went bald for the role as well, which gives him serious method points.

Having a main villian is all great and good. But how about the supporting cast?

The Daily Planet and Lois Lane will be first.  Margot Kidder and Kate Bosworth are kind of in the same boat for me. In the sense that I don’t like them. I have no clue why the most powerful man in the world would settle for these women.

Not that one…

iKate Bosworth looks like she’s 14 and Margot Kidder is just irritating.

The only Lois Lane that I have any kind of respect for is Teri Hatcher. Her character is occasionally dumbed down on the show, but out of the three I think she seems the most capable.

She’s also the most attractive.

She’s been with James Bond (Tomorrow Never Dies) and Superman (Lois and Clark). Was a guest star on Star Trek The Next Generation, Seinfeld and Quantum Leap. Do you have any clue how many fantasies that fulfills for me. (several for any interested parties.) So as far as that’s concerned Superman Returns and Superman: The Movie get no points with Lois and Clark getting all the points for that one.

Though I honestly feel like the winner here.

Perry White is quite a different story. I like all the actors and characters involved here. Jackie Cooper, Frank Langella and Lane Smith.

All of them bring some interesting, albeit different, to the character but all seem to ring true amongst their respective actors.

Frank Langella might edge the other two out if I had to pick just one of them, but I think that’s just my familiarity with his other work.

Lane Smith is funny but still commands respect when he needs to.

Jackie Cooper is old school and occasionally spouts some Yoda-esque anecdotes about the newspaper business. Frank Langella is just what I’d expect from a man that runs a major metropolitan newspaper and still seems wizened by his years. He knows his reporters strengths and weakness and isn’t afraid to tell them the uncomfortable truths.

 

Cowboy Curtis is doing WHAT?!?

The Last one we deal with is Jimmy Olsen. I think this character is worthless in the comics and for the most part I think he’s pretty worthless in the movies as well. Sam Huntington and Marc McClure are both pretty valueless in the movies. They seems to exist as comic less relief or reasons to consume Superman’s time when he could be doing something much more important.

Why am I talking to this Gorilla again, JImmy?

I haven’t created any characters that are beloved or have been around in various media for over half of a century or more.

I just don’t think Olsen has any place in the current incarnation. I’m supposing that he was put there as some sort of avatar for the younger generation to place themselves upon.

But, why would I want to do that when I have Superman to look up to and avatate myself upon?

But what do I know?

The only incarnation of Jimmy Olsen that I really cared about was the original Jimmy Olsen on Lois and Clark. He was let go because he looked too much like Dean Cain, the gentleman responsible for the Clark Kent/Superman duties on the show.  Which is a terribly stupid reason to lose your job by the way.

I didn’t hate the new guy but it really wasn’t broke in the first place either. Micheal Landes is closer to I think the way that I would write the character. Justin Whalin is more of the traditional naive Jimmy Olsen.

They say the suit makes the man, and in Superman’s case, I suppose it isn’t any different.

Who has the best Superman costume?

Superman Returns is probably my least favorite.

 

Milk still does a body good though.

 

There’s a lot of things that I think they did with the costume that were really just being done for the sake of being different than what came before it. Raising the S, the belt buckle bearing the symbol, no yellow symbol on the Cape and the Boots looking like Nike made them…

 

Unless Ma Kent owns a sweat shop, I don’t see how we arrived here.

 

As well as the collar being so tight.

I don’t hate costume, I just don’t think all of the decisions were made for the right reasons.

The Cain costume I think actually made a couple of improvements over the Reeve costume, though the fact that it’s a television show and not a major motion picture really does show sometimes.

The darkened colors look better than the lighter ones that are associated with the Reeve costume. There are some incarnations of the costume early on that I didn’t like but the one that the show eventually went with I really did like.

 

Too bad they didn’t spend more money on Cain’s acting lessons.

 

I also like the difference in the hair between Kent and Superman. The slicked back hair suited the character. But, honestly, can a brotha not get a spit curl up front?

 

 

In no surprise to anyone, the Reeve costume is my favorite. I’ve actually got to see the one used in the original up close

They would not let me put it on, sadly.

Or, not sadly. I don’t really have a “spandex body”.

Whatever.

its construction was obviously meant to hold up to greater scrutiny (and several films) and is my favorite incarnation, in any form, of the costume. The hair, the actor, the costume, just everything works here.

 

Mathematically proven to kick seven a**es.

 

I first mentioned that Christopher Reeve is the best Superman. I stand by that.

I did actually like Brandon Routh as Superman, but I think his performance was more of an imitation, than an original performance, so in no insult to him, I give more credit to Dean Cain than I do to Routh.

I think all of them, much like my opinion of the Perrys made valid additions to the mythos, but Christopher Reeve was even good in the bad Superman films.

 

I don’t want to kick a dead horse…wait, why was Superman inside that nuclear missile in the background?

There are a lot of things I like about Lois and Clark.

There are a lot of things that I don’t.

The final two seasons are pretty terrible and a lot of the villains they go with are just terrible even if you go easy on them. I think they wanted to kind of go for what Adam West’s Batman show did but they just weren’t getting the same caliber of actor, and it suffered, tremedously, as a result.

I also don’t think you had a very strong voice as far as the executive producer was concerned and it made the show a listless vesicle toward it end.

And I still hate the fact that it ended on a cliffhanger.

Seeing as how its been 18 years since it went off the air, I don’t think were getting a made for TV movie wrap up for it.

Superman Returns will never get to correct the mistakes it made coming out of the gate or a chance to compete or fill in any of loose threads. With a production budget of 232 million dollars and a final tally of 450 million (after DVD and various home video profits are taken into account) it certainly turned a profit.

I love that we live in a world were half a billion dollars just isn’t quite enough.

Superman: The Movie, even with its nonsensical ending, is my favorite incarnation of the character.

I don’t think Superman II is shot as well and lacks a lot of the scope that the first film had in spades. That’s what happens when you hire Lester instead of Donner. Quick list me five other movies that Lester did that don’t have Musketeer in the title?

Yeah you cant can you? Don’t feel bad, he isn’t really that talented.

It’s a good thing he had all of that preexisting footage that Donner shot to get him out of the hole he would have likely been in. The Superman film he had all to himself, Superman III, is quite the epic fail.

If I had to pick just one incarnation, this would be the one. It’s the one that enchanted me as a child and the one that still entices me as an adult.

Even with Christopher Nolan and David Goyer sheparding the newest incarnation. (And the SDCC footage looked very promising) I still can’t imagine that my affinity is going to change allegiance anytime soon. I look forward to it, and the ensuing Justice League film, but my Superman, will and ever, be the Richard Donner directed original.

But they’re always welcome to try.

 

 

I am one of the few supporters of Superman Returns. It isn’t a flawless film. I’ll admit that. Neither was the original X-Men. And with that set up for X2. We will never know what Bryan Singer’s Super Returns follow up would have been like. At the end of the day Warner Bros. (who had ponied up the money for Superman Returns, which caused Fox to find a replacement for him for X-Men 3, which makes them partially responsible for that whole mess.)

That’s how much Superman Returns made domestically. 200 million. Not too shabby honestly. The film did alot of stuff right. Like most fans of quality cinema, it ignored Superman III and Superman IV: The Quest for Peace.

General Zod couldn't stop him. He was more powerful than a locomotive. In the end all it took was Mark Pillow and Jon Cryer, who is also responsible for the dumbing down of America (See Two and a Half Men, but only in small doses.)

 

The film cobbles together a vague history of the first two Superman films. I thought Singer’s effort was strong enough for a redo, not to mention his track record. The main problem he faced was that all the money that had been spent over the years with false starts and other projects that turned into nothing were all rolled into his film’s budget. The Nicolas Cage/Tim Burton Superman Lives project.

 

This is what Tim Burton thought Superman Looked like.

 

And this is who he wanted to play him. Also, Superman wasn’t going to fly, though he was going to have a car that did. He fought a Polar Bear at the Fortress of Solitude and had a gay robot side-kick. I don’t know how robots can be gay, but it was going to be.

 

Here’s a link to some of his concepts on Braniac. I think he went to his trash can and got some drawing he threw away during Beetlejuice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ABWwAwl1hE&feature=player_embedded#

30 million dollars down the drain. Preproduction and pay or play deals, and nothing to really show for it. Oh, and Jon Peters said that Superman’s iconic costume was “too faggy”. This from a former Hair Stylist.

 

As best I can tell, this is the only thing that came out of this phase of the production that was worth anything. I would have loved to of seen Superman fight this Doomsday. I suspect if the new film is successful, we’ll eventually see Big Nasty in there somewhere.

After Burton left the project, it spiraled into chaos, as roughly anyone with writing credits or a background in direction was given the shot at directing or at least pitching their idea. Micheal Bay and Martin Campbell were both offered the director’s chair and both turned it down. Will Smith was also offered the lead. He turned it down on the grounds that he had made enough white people mad with Wild Wild West. Fair Enough.

 

Somewhere in all of this, Darren Aronofsky was going to take a stab at adapting Batman: Year One into a film. ( a gem of an idea that eventaully led to the reboot we all know and love Batman Begins.) He took some severe liberties with the source material. Batman was no longer Bruce Wayne. His Batman is a homeless man on the street. Alfred is an African american mechanic. Who goes by Big Al. Batman drove a souped up Lincoln Towncar. He gets called Batman because the ring he wears on his finger (that have the intials TW for Thomas Wayne) look like a Bat. Really. Supposedly Aronofsky never had any intention of doing Batman. He wanted to make Warner think he was going to so that they would greenlight The Fountain Here’s a quote from the man himself.

 

“I never really wanted to make a Batman film, it was a kind of bait and switch strategy. I was working on Requiem for a Dream and I got a phone call that Warner Bros wanted to talk about Batman. At the time I had this idea for a film called The Fountain which I knew was gonna be this big movie and I was thinking, ‘Is Warners really gonna give me $80 million to make a film about love and death after I come off a heroin movie?’ So my theory was if I can write this Batman film and they could perceive me as a writer for it.”

 

This eventually led to them combining the franchises which eventually led to them separating them again. It is worth noting that Christian Bale was approached to play Batman in Year One. (He was also a finalist for Robin in Batman Forever.) The script is kind of a mess but here is some of the concept work, which to be fair is pretty sweet.

 

 

This is good, but can we think more "homeless" and less billionaire...

 

 

What would it look like if it was a Lincoln Towncar?

 

 

Who are these people? They are neither not Bruce Wayne or my not Alfred, Big Al.

One such writer suggests that Afronosky never had any intention of making the movie and made sure by making it so far fetched from its genesis. Whatever the reason, it eventually led to this stage of development…

 

The next major director that was attached was Wolfgang Peterson, who proposed a Batman/Superman film with Jude Law as Superman and Colin Farrel as Batman. Andrew Kevin Walker of Seven fame was hired for scripting duties. Peterson eventually left the project in favor of Troy. Akiva Goldsmith (who rewrote the Walker draft and is responsible in part for Batman and Robin) did place an in joke in another film he wrote that was also produced by Warner Bros. (I am Legend) Anyone with a quick pair of eyes or access to a pause button can check it out. Or Just look down now.

 

 

An ode to the film that never was.

The next major team to attach themselves was JJ Abrams and Brett Ratner. (1 out of 2 isn’t bad)  This draft was referred to as Superman: Flyby (terrrible name) In an apparent Mad Lib session of casting. Josh Hartnett, Ashton Kutcher, Brendan Fraser and  with Matthew Bomer as the favored one for the role.

 

 

Christopher Reeve continued to suggest Tom Welling, whom you might know from Smallville fame. But what does that guy know?

 

Oh, yeah. Greatest actor to ever wear the suit. THE Superman by which all others are measured against. That guy.

 

Harry Poooooooottttteeeeerrrrr... I mean Suuuuuppppppeeeeerrrman!!!!!!

 

 

Always my weapon of choice.

 

This has nothing to do with anything, but any time someone mentions Christopher Walken, my mind always wanders to this…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMZwZiU0kKs

That and Batman Returns.

 

Who's your daddy? And that's Sir to you B*tches.

The one thing this project did have going to it was it’s supporting cast. Christopher Walken as Perry White, Anthony Hopkins as Jor-El (He must have the most potent sperm in the world as he was in the running for Superman’s father and was recently cast as Thor’s father Oden in Marvel’s Thor) and Ralph Fienes as Lex Luthor. Tell me that wouldn’t have been something to see. And all this with JJ Abrams. The man rebooted Star Trek and the X-Files (kind of) and wiped the stank off Mission: Impossible left by M:I 2. How much more credibility does the man need?

 

 

Ratman Returns

Angered by his inability to direct and only get Rush Hour sequels greenlit, Ratner eventually left the project, with money likely in hand.

 

 

McG was then attached to the project, in hopes of buying himself a full last name. In Warner Bros. defense, he hadn’t yet ruined the Terminator franchise but anyone that is willing to put Charlie’s Angels I and II on there resume should be evaluated physiologically and mentally.

 

 

You don't have to view the trailer if you don't want to.

At this point Bryan Singer stepped in as director. This halted his pre-production on X-Men 3, and took his full staff with him. Ironically, Brett Ratner then took over helming duties on X-Men: The Last Stand as Singer took over Superman. After worldwide marketing cost, previous productions that didn’t come to fruition and Superman Returns actual budget, the final price tag was 350 million dollars, which made Superman Returns the most expensive film ever made at the point that it was released. Hearing that someone was making movies more expensive that him, James Cameron came out of retirement.

 

 

They did what! Those Mother F*ckers.

Superman Returns went on to gross 391 million dollars worldwide. It’s a respectable sum. I think the Warner’s were content to give Singer another shot at the movie until this happened…

 

When Warner realized that the 500 million they anticipated from Superman Returns was short by roughly another 500 million dollars, they suddenly had a severe underachiever. Why have a million dollar franchise, when you can have a billion dollar franchise?

 

Flash forward to 2011 and this is the new face of Superman. Henry Cavill, of Tudors and War of the Gods fame. Zack Snyder, who brought us Watchmen and 300. (The man does know his comic books) Personally I would have liked to see Singer’s follow up. I have been a huge fan of his work since Usual Suspects ( I am watching X2 as I write this.) I know he had a superior, intelligent sequel in him.  Sadly this will never come to be. Out of all the names that have been bandied about, I think Snyder is the best choice for the job. With Nolan producing and Goyer scripting, the film is in more than capable hands. I think Snyder is talented and more than qualified for the role. I don’t think he’s the artist that Singer is. The first Superman film (Superman: The Movie 1978) is a quientesntial piece of Americana. Richard Donner may have produced his masterwork then. Much in the same way he was robbed of his chance to follow up his film, so was Singer. I am looking forward to Snyder’s Man of Steel, but in the same way that I’ll always be upset that James Cameron never made his Spider-Man, I think I’ll just be left to stew about Singer’s Man of Steel.

 

In a final note to the new filmmaker’s, Harrison Ford IS Indiana Jones. You can’t get generic Captain Crucnch. John William Superman score cannot be improved upon. If you think you can recast General Zod, you can’t. Terrance Stamp is still alive and well. There is only one man for that job. If you want the son of Jor-El to kneel, you know who to call…